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Monks of New Skete - Cambridge NY
I took these back at the beginning of June. Again this only a sampling. These monastics are an OCA community that offers a unique witness to the Orthodox Church.
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This appears to be a neat little place.
Though, is the third picture of the Iconostasis?
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Father Bless!
Is this the monastery where they train the dogs?
There is a TV show in which Orthodox monks train dogs, the dogs really make a complete turn around.
Your unworthy son,
Dr. Eric
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Dr Eric,
Yes it is the one and same place. I have photos with the dogs and the monks.
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I thought the Iconostasis was supposed to have big icons on it. What is the point of having one that you can easily see through with small icons? (I don't mean to be rude, I am just curious as I have never seen one like that)
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The original "templon" found in Byzantine churches was a low partition, about 3-4 feet high. Later, columns and a top lintel were added. Only in 14th or 15th centuries (give or take a bit) were large icons added into the spaces between the columns.
New Skete opted to combine the Byzantine style templon (which was see-through and did not include icons) with the received tradition of having an iconostas (since it is an unmistakable part of Orthodox Churches today).
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Robert,
Actually that is pretty much what the icon screen in Hagia Sophia looked like. The intent of the screen was to create a physical barrier between the people and the clergy so that they could perform their duties without being crowded. There was no intention to create a visual barrier. Even today in many Greek parishes the screen tends to be one or two tiers only and the doors are often left open throughout the Liturgy, as opposed to the floor to ceiling screens of Slav churches and closing of doors and curtains.
New Skete has introduced aspects of the Cathedral Rite of Hagia Sophia into their usage and they have adapted the physical strucure as well.
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Actually Father Deacon Lance is quite right.
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Robert,
Actually that is pretty much what the icon screen in Hagia Sophia looked like. The intent of the screen was to create a physical barrier between the people and the clergy so that they could perform their duties without being crowded. There was no intention to create a visual barrier. Even today in many Greek parishes the screen tends to be one or two tiers only and the doors are often left open throughout the Liturgy, as opposed to the floor to ceiling screens of Slav churches and closing of doors and curtains.
New Skete has introduced aspects of the Cathedral Rite of Hagia Sophia into their usage and they have adapted the physical strucure as well.
Fr. Deacon Lance St. Mark's in Venice has a similar divider, only it has statues on the top. There are other ancient churches in Italy that still have this divider as well. I have some guide books packed away somewhere with pictures. As far as New Skete's typikon, it's somewhat controversial and many Orthodox think them renovators. I attended the "Vigil" for a major feast there a couple of years back. Quite honestly, it didn't feel Orthodox at all. My parish choir has used some of their music though, which can be quite nice.
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John,
I was able to attend the vespers the day I shot these photos. It was quite different from what I am used to. It had the major components but in a different order and place. I am not going to say it was wrong and I did not like it, but I am not going to say I would champion it either. It was quite an experience, and the monastics there were more than willing to share how their liturgical typicon is set and from were they researched it from. Also the community was very hospitable and was more than willing to share the benefit of their knowledge and research.
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PS The music did sound prayerful.
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Robert,
Actually that is pretty much what the icon screen in Hagia Sophia looked like. The intent of the screen was to create a physical barrier between the people and the clergy so that they could perform their duties without being crowded. There was no intention to create a visual barrier. Even today in many Greek parishes the screen tends to be one or two tiers only and the doors are often left open throughout the Liturgy, as opposed to the floor to ceiling screens of Slav churches and closing of doors and curtains.
New Skete has introduced aspects of the Cathedral Rite of Hagia Sophia into their usage and they have adapted the physical strucure as well.
Fr. Deacon Lance Thank you, Father Deacon. A very interesting explanation! Gordo
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Father-- I would not champion their arrangement of the services either, but if it works for their community and their hierarch allows it, then that's great. I would not want to attend there often, but would be interested to see a Divine Liturgy once. They did seem very hospitable and welcoming. When the nun who approached us after the Vigil found out that we were Greek Catholics, she said that she was very happy to have us there praying with them. She also explained their interesting iconography in the clerestory of the chapel. We sing some of their psalm settings during the Great Incensation before the D/L at my parish. Some are lovely and singable. Nice place to visit, wouldn't want to live there!  John
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